Only in Desert Combat...

Wonder · 05-20-2003, 10:11 PM

...is the helicopters AT missile used against infantry, and the rockets used against vehicles.

...you can destroy a vehicle with a 7.62mm minigun no matter how heavily armoured it is!

...is the Apache's 30mm Chaingun, that is designed for taking out armour, less powerful than a 7.62mm minigun

...you use tank guns as AA guns

...does the F-16 and the M163 have different cannons

JeanFrancois · 05-20-2003, 10:26 PM

I agree, but it's players making the best of a situation. If you wanted (as the developer) to make less people use the tanks for AA, you would have to slow the turret movement down, change the damage done by the shell, or change the fire rate of the tank's gun. Personally I think the turrent movement rate is a bit on the high side, but that doesn't bug me too much overall.

I'd like them to swap the minigun/chaingun around. The BH should be more of a transport than a flying fortress of death (being spawn camped by a BH that can shoot through roofs is not fun..)

The game might be different from real life, but until the developers manage to change it to mirror real life, players will continue to use whatever is effective in the context of the game.

ShockV1.89 · 05-28-2003, 03:36 PM

I used my F-16 to run over a sniper camping a ridge over our base last night. I wanted to shoot him, but I couldnt get the nose down fast enough, and kicked in the afterburners to come around for another try. I just heard *thump*, and got the message I had (killed) him. Couldnt quit laughing.

CJMello63 · 05-28-2003, 08:11 PM

The Vulcan has 20mm.

grim reaper · 05-28-2003, 08:23 PM

fun>realism

Lostman · 05-28-2003, 08:31 PM

The best is getting in that AC130 (the transport plane, might be wrong model) and ramming everything. That plane is a hog. I was on Gazalla the other day on my server and I took out 2 helos, 1 plane, and 2 tanks just by ramming them.

They should lower it's impact damage hit points or something.

grim reaper · 05-28-2003, 08:47 PM

ITS NOT A FUCKING TRANSPORT PLAN its a gunship, god this pisses me off when people say stuff like this, ignoramuses.

Saber · 05-28-2003, 09:50 PM

Ya its the AC-130 Gunship people.

CJMello63 · 05-28-2003, 10:17 PM

With what armor? It is a converted transport ship that was fitted with guns. A stinger should rip it apart. Should be no tougher than a true king like the Hind D.

English · 05-28-2003, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonder

...is the Apache's 30mm Chaingun, that is designed for taking out armour, less powerful than a 7.62mm minigun

Yes, that one does annoy me. It makes sitting in the gunner seat a complete waste of time, coss u might as well be using a spud gun, u never seem to hit anything.

Im sure they could fix that without too much trouble. It would make for more team work, like there is with the blackhawk. You always see a couple of people who team up with one of those. I love hovering for some1 while they rack up the kills

As for the AC130, it is alittle bit strange how much damage that thing can take. I mean, u dont have to worry about landing smoothly like with the planes in regular bf, u can just drop to the ground and it will be fine

ShockV1.89 · 05-29-2003, 04:24 AM

I suppose they made the armor on the AC-130 so strong because it's so damn slow and big, and if the armor was realistic, it would get shredded before it made it halfway to the enemy outpost.

Although being able to crash land it through 4 tanks is odd....

DirKus · 06-04-2003, 09:41 PM

Why ram 4 tanks when you can just smoke them with a guy on the arty? The armor is there for balance issues. It's a mobile spawn point protected by a crew of 5, if it only took 2 stingers to drop it, all it would be is a flying deathtrap...

English · 06-04-2003, 10:46 PM

But its supposed to fly high, real high. There is no way anyone could shoot that thing down with a stinger if it was flying as high as it can go. But there has to be at least some chance of being able to shoot it down. At the moment, its nigh on impossible.

ShockV1.89 · 06-05-2003, 02:34 AM

Not at all. From the ground, it's very hard to bring down. A well placed artillery or tank round will do it, but otherwise, yes, it's hard. But it's meant to be that way.

However, from the air, it's a big sitting duck. Just approach it from any side other than the left one, and it's harmless. A few solid passes with the machine guns on any plane will send it down in smoke, and you several kills richer!

Raijin Z · 06-12-2003, 06:39 AM

Unless the pilot's smart enough to fly with the cargo bay door open. Then maybe one kill if someone forgets to press E.

05-20-2003, 10:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wonder Private Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8	Only in Desert Combat... ...is the helicopters AT missile used against infantry, and the rockets used against vehicles. ...you can destroy a vehicle with a 7.62mm minigun no matter how heavily armoured it is! ...is the Apache's 30mm Chaingun, that is designed for taking out armour, less powerful than a 7.62mm minigun ...you use tank guns as AA guns ...does the F-16 and the M163 have different cannons __________________ 20 seconds to respawn ...2 seconds to die again.

05-28-2003, 08:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	The Vulcan has 20mm. __________________

05-28-2003, 08:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lostman Private 1st Class Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: RLB, IL Posts: 106	The best is getting in that AC130 (the transport plane, might be wrong model) and ramming everything. That plane is a hog. I was on Gazalla the other day on my server and I took out 2 helos, 1 plane, and 2 tanks just by ramming them. They should lower it's impact damage hit points or something. __________________

05-28-2003, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	With what armor? It is a converted transport ship that was fitted with guns. A stinger should rip it apart. Should be no tougher than a true king like the Hind D. __________________

05-20-2003, 10:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
JeanFrancois Chief Warrant Officer First Class Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,039	I agree, but it's players making the best of a situation. If you wanted (as the developer) to make less people use the tanks for AA, you would have to slow the turret movement down, change the damage done by the shell, or change the fire rate of the tank's gun. Personally I think the turrent movement rate is a bit on the high side, but that doesn't bug me too much overall. I'd like them to swap the minigun/chaingun around. The BH should be more of a transport than a flying fortress of death (being spawn camped by a BH that can shoot through roofs is not fun..) The game might be different from real life, but until the developers manage to change it to mirror real life, players will continue to use whatever is effective in the context of the game.

05-28-2003, 03:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
ShockV1.89 Private Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 61	I used my F-16 to run over a sniper camping a ridge over our base last night. I wanted to shoot him, but I couldnt get the nose down fast enough, and kicked in the afterburners to come around for another try. I just heard thump, and got the message I had (killed) him. Couldnt quit laughing.

05-28-2003, 08:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	fun>realism

05-28-2003, 08:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	ITS NOT A FUCKING TRANSPORT PLAN its a gunship, god this pisses me off when people say stuff like this, ignoramuses.

05-28-2003, 09:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Saber Sergeant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 408	Ya its the AC-130 Gunship people.

05-29-2003, 04:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
ShockV1.89 Private Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 61	I suppose they made the armor on the AC-130 so strong because it's so damn slow and big, and if the armor was realistic, it would get shredded before it made it halfway to the enemy outpost. Although being able to crash land it through 4 tanks is odd....

06-04-2003, 09:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
DirKus Private Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9	Why ram 4 tanks when you can just smoke them with a guy on the arty? The armor is there for balance issues. It's a mobile spawn point protected by a crew of 5, if it only took 2 stingers to drop it, all it would be is a flying deathtrap...

06-04-2003, 10:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
English First Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 1,681	But its supposed to fly high, real high. There is no way anyone could shoot that thing down with a stinger if it was flying as high as it can go. But there has to be at least some chance of being able to shoot it down. At the moment, its nigh on impossible.

06-05-2003, 02:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
ShockV1.89 Private Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 61	Not at all. From the ground, it's very hard to bring down. A well placed artillery or tank round will do it, but otherwise, yes, it's hard. But it's meant to be that way. However, from the air, it's a big sitting duck. Just approach it from any side other than the left one, and it's harmless. A few solid passes with the machine guns on any plane will send it down in smoke, and you several kills richer!

06-12-2003, 06:39 AM	#15 (permalink)
Raijin Z Sergeant Major Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northeast USA Posts: 609	Unless the pilot's smart enough to fly with the cargo bay door open. Then maybe one kill if someone forgets to press E.