Tanks and Helos

Mad Monk · 11-17-2005, 03:04 PM

Just a little rant here. Why is it that Helos are so great a tank killing, but if you are lucky enought to hit a helo with a tank shell, it only smokes? I've had several solid tank hits on helos lately (both Cobras and the Havoc) and they only start smoking turn around and blast me. That needs to be fixed.

Trident · 11-17-2005, 03:11 PM

I think they added more armor in the update to be honest. I used to be able to shoot up helos pretty good with jeep mounted weapons. Now it seems they have little effect. Or maybe i'm just getting less accurate.

Mad Monk · 11-17-2005, 03:43 PM

I don't know. I can usually get a helo smoking with a tranport's MG. At least before they figure out where the fire is coming from and blast me into a million pieces.

TitanSound · 11-17-2005, 04:00 PM

Its hard enough to hit a helo with a tank shell so it should be a 1 hit kill, man it was common place in DC and nobody complained about it!!

grim reaper · 11-17-2005, 04:07 PM

Bf is rock paper siccors.

Tank beats jeeps and infantary.

Helo beats tank.

Plane beats helo.

AA beats plane.

Having tanks being able to take out helos with lucky hits kinda sucked. I have done it in BF2 when they where smoking.

In DC the T-72 was the best anti helo veichle out there.

Dick_Justice · 11-17-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by grim reaper

AA beats plane.

...yeah sure it does

grim reaper · 11-17-2005, 04:12 PM

The AA veichles do beat planes. Expecially the Chinese one. That thing is a beast. The missles do kinda suck but the guns on it own planes and expecially helos.

Mad Monk · 11-17-2005, 04:48 PM

You have a point grim, but look at it this way. Even if you concede that the anti-air vehicles beat the helos (which is up for debate), they are still very suceptible to what they beat (helos). Helos beat tanks but are still very unsuceptible to tanks. Its out of balance.

grim reaper · 11-17-2005, 04:57 PM

However Tanks beat infantary.

One of the cool things about BF is that some things beat others in straight fights.

Take infantary for example, owned by tanks usually. However setting up a C4 trap then waiting in the bushes is great, knowing you are david and you just took out goliath is a brilliant feeling and something thats unique to BF.

Mad Monk · 11-17-2005, 05:42 PM

But grim you are reinforcing my point. C4 is the great equalizer for infantry/tank battles. Tanks are practically defenseless against a good chopper pilot.

Maybe a good compromise would be to have a tank shell bring a chopper down to the "imminent death" level with a few seconds to live and give the pilot a chance at survival instead of an instant kill.

Trigger · 11-17-2005, 05:49 PM

I think a good solution would be when a helo gets hit by a tank shell, the helo is knocked back forcing the pilot to lose control. This would give time for the tanker to try and find a hiding spot or get off another shot.

Sinster · 11-17-2005, 09:42 PM

Nice solution Trigger....

I hate the airplanes where they are able to take out the infantry so easy with the guns..

Trident · 11-17-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by grim reaper

Take infantary for example, owned by tanks usually. However setting up a C4 trap then waiting in the bushes is great, knowing you are david and you just took out goliath is a brilliant feeling and something thats unique to BF.

In the urban maps the spec-ops can almost make the tank and apc useless. There certainly isn't any sitting still for more than a second.

K_Shizzle · 11-17-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trident

I think they added more armor in the update to be honest. I used to be able to shoot up helos pretty good with jeep mounted weapons. Now it seems they have little effect. Or maybe i'm just getting less accurate.

Yeah but at least the engineers are completely useless at repairing them. Believe me, i play mostly engineer and i was in a blackhawk trying to "repair" it. It actually wouldn't let me repair once the bar was half full. And the also made attack choppers harder to repair. Such a pain

jackbauer06 · 11-18-2005, 12:48 AM

i still think there should be a way to make vehicles either: go out of control, or lose various functions. If i hit a helo in the rear propeller, it should not be able to use rudder well, if at all. The real question is did they make helos with weak points like the tanks, because then you could just ajust some coding, and add some coding, and you got yourself a limp chopper.

Soyuz · 11-18-2005, 01:30 AM

Blast the helo on the cockpit and the crew dies.
But I have to say, it should be easier to kill the crew than now

Monkeyfeng · 11-18-2005, 04:16 PM

only god has the accuracy to beat airplane in that game.

Sinster · 11-18-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyfeng

only god has the accuracy to beat airplane in that game.

AMEN to that.

Trident · 11-18-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyfeng

only god has the accuracy to beat airplane in that game.

Yea it only seems possible to kill jets in a dogfight. So if you're on a map and your side has no good pilots, the enemy pilots just have a free fly of dropping bombs and straifing. And that gets frustrating! Not being able to drive a vehicle anywhere without getting bombs on your head.

11-17-2005, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mad Monk Major Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: O-O-O-O-Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. Posts: 3,030	Tanks and Helos Just a little rant here. Why is it that Helos are so great a tank killing, but if you are lucky enought to hit a helo with a tank shell, it only smokes? I've had several solid tank hits on helos lately (both Cobras and the Havoc) and they only start smoking turn around and blast me. That needs to be fixed. __________________

11-17-2005, 03:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trident First Sergeant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania - USA Posts: 578	I think they added more armor in the update to be honest. I used to be able to shoot up helos pretty good with jeep mounted weapons. Now it seems they have little effect. Or maybe i'm just getting less accurate. __________________ Have a nice day!

11-17-2005, 03:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mad Monk Major Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: O-O-O-O-Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. Posts: 3,030	I don't know. I can usually get a helo smoking with a tranport's MG. At least before they figure out where the fire is coming from and blast me into a million pieces. __________________

11-17-2005, 04:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
TitanSound Captain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 2,808	Its hard enough to hit a helo with a tank shell so it should be a 1 hit kill, man it was common place in DC and nobody complained about it!! __________________ "You often find drummers have amazing memories, they have to remember long musical phrases as pure data, its almost binary"

11-17-2005, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mad Monk Major Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: O-O-O-O-Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. Posts: 3,030	You have a point grim, but look at it this way. Even if you concede that the anti-air vehicles beat the helos (which is up for debate), they are still very suceptible to what they beat (helos). Helos beat tanks but are still very unsuceptible to tanks. Its out of balance. __________________

11-17-2005, 04:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	Bf is rock paper siccors. Tank beats jeeps and infantary. Helo beats tank. Plane beats helo. AA beats plane. Having tanks being able to take out helos with lucky hits kinda sucked. I have done it in BF2 when they where smoking. In DC the T-72 was the best anti helo veichle out there.

11-17-2005, 04:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	The AA veichles do beat planes. Expecially the Chinese one. That thing is a beast. The missles do kinda suck but the guns on it own planes and expecially helos.

11-17-2005, 04:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	However Tanks beat infantary. One of the cool things about BF is that some things beat others in straight fights. Take infantary for example, owned by tanks usually. However setting up a C4 trap then waiting in the bushes is great, knowing you are david and you just took out goliath is a brilliant feeling and something thats unique to BF.

11-17-2005, 05:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mad Monk Major Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: O-O-O-O-Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. Posts: 3,030	But grim you are reinforcing my point. C4 is the great equalizer for infantry/tank battles. Tanks are practically defenseless against a good chopper pilot. Maybe a good compromise would be to have a tank shell bring a chopper down to the "imminent death" level with a few seconds to live and give the pilot a chance at survival instead of an instant kill. __________________

11-17-2005, 05:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Trigger Private Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 29	I think a good solution would be when a helo gets hit by a tank shell, the helo is knocked back forcing the pilot to lose control. This would give time for the tanker to try and find a hiding spot or get off another shot. __________________

11-17-2005, 09:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sinster Staff Sergeant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Plymouth, MA Posts: 266	Nice solution Trigger.... I hate the airplanes where they are able to take out the infantry so easy with the guns.. __________________

11-18-2005, 12:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
jackbauer06 Private 1st Class Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tempe, Az Posts: 120	i still think there should be a way to make vehicles either: go out of control, or lose various functions. If i hit a helo in the rear propeller, it should not be able to use rudder well, if at all. The real question is did they make helos with weak points like the tanks, because then you could just ajust some coding, and add some coding, and you got yourself a limp chopper. __________________

11-18-2005, 01:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
Soyuz Second Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,472	Blast the helo on the cockpit and the crew dies. But I have to say, it should be easier to kill the crew than now

11-18-2005, 04:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
Monkeyfeng Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Taiwan, can you find it on the map? Posts: 2,785	only god has the accuracy to beat airplane in that game. __________________