Your greatest BF2 concerns ?

Dick_Justice · 10-12-2004, 08:44 PM

What concerns do you have about BF 2, if any ?

I personaly am a bit concerned about the Infantrie vs. Vehicle balance.

In BF 1942, vehicles were an important addittion, but Soldiers were always the crucial backbone.

I fear this might change in BF 2, judging statements for Lars Gustavsson. Vehicles are supposed to become even more important now than they are already.
And obviously modern vehicles are a lot more powerfull than their 60 years older counterparts.

I just hope this game won´t be to focused on vehicles and that Infantrie will get their fair share.
I get goosebumbs at the vision of an AH-64 Apache circling my spawnpoint fragging me everytime with "all-killer-HE-missiles" while I spawn and there beeing no mean for me to do to defend myself...

Soyuz · 10-12-2004, 09:47 PM

Your fear will be easily solved by FH mod conversion. I'm pretty sure the game won't be great, but the engin will be. If you look at the new screenshots, what do you see? a game that looks exactly like BF42 (in pariculare DC) exept with better textures! so the shit lieies not in the game but in the engin... At least I hope so...

What im worried about is the the commander and team play stuff. Their are too many retards out there that won't listen and the whole games structure will collapse.

+ sometimes you don't want to be in a team and you want to go alone

WOODY · 10-12-2004, 11:00 PM

A lot of that will have to do with the type of maps that will be available. I'm sure there will be a variety to keep things diverse. Just like on some of the regular BF maps, some lean more towards close quarter combat rather than vast open terrain where you have to have a vehicle to survive.

From what I've seen so far at least from the infantry standpoint, it's looking pretty good. They're adding more moves such as when you hit the dirt you can roll out of the way, rag-doll physics ( which is my personal favorite ), class equipment and abilities, etc.

Don't worry, it'll all be goooooooood.

Soyuz · 10-12-2004, 11:04 PM

would the ragdoll thing make you spin asround like in Rainbow 6? (the special-ops game) Cus I really don't like that, I think its really lame. Would it meen if you got shot in the leg you would fall down on you knee. Or are the ragdolls only from the person that is shooting and not from the person that is getting shot? (like in battlefield, when you get shot your "character" looks down at the floor as if you took a bullet to the chest, but for really he is actually looking forward)

melee · 10-13-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by georgie_porgie_k

Your fear will be easily solved by FH mod conversion. I'm pretty sure the game won't be great, but the engin will be. If you look at the new screenshots, what do you see? a game that looks exactly like BF42 (in pariculare DC) exept with better textures! so the shit lieies not in the game but in the engin... At least I hope so...

What im worried about is the the commander and team play stuff. Their are too many retards out there that won't listen and the whole games structure will collapse.

+ sometimes you don't want to be in a team and you want to go alone

Are you sure you're looking at the same screens as me? I mean it looks like graphics on the same level or better than far cry. Personally I think mod support lies a bit better in games like far cry (have you seen the editor for that thing?), or HL2. I'm mainly looking forward to the game itself. I've been playing DC since .1, and it despite some imbalances, its still very fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgie_porgie_k

would the ragdoll thing make you spin asround like in Rainbow 6? (the special-ops game) Cus I really don't like that, I think its really lame. Would it meen if you got shot in the leg you would fall down on you knee. Or are the ragdolls only from the person that is shooting and not from the person that is getting shot? (like in battlefield, when you get shot your "character" looks down at the floor as if you took a bullet to the chest, but for really he is actually looking forward)

Its still going to be BF42 arcade.

NavalLord · 10-13-2004, 12:27 AM

rag doll physics means that when you die your body will act as a real one, meaning if a tank shell lands infront of you you will go flying back and roll around and die, hilarity for all who watch

i too am concerned about vehicle balance, thats one of the reasons why i hate DC is because it is very much leaning towards the vehicles rather than infantry and i hate using tanks, i much prefer regular bf where the infantry are the main focus with vehicle support

SS [FIN] · 10-14-2004, 12:33 PM

My biggest concern is the choppers, they were too easy in bfv and they plan to make them even easier.

grim reaper · 10-14-2004, 04:37 PM

if its crap.

Caslon · 10-15-2004, 02:49 AM

I'm always concerned when a successfull game orginator goes "semi" to the
next level. History shows... that developers just develop improvements with
bells and whistles to sell more copies. They end up losing the diehards untill the next
cutting edge developer comes out with the latest and greatest.

Soyuz · 10-15-2004, 02:57 AM

What your are talking about Caslon is BFV not BF2 :P

At least I hope so

WOODY · 10-15-2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caslon

I'm always concerned when a successfull game orginator goes "semi" to the
next level. History shows... that developers just develop improvements with
bells and whistles to sell more copies. They end up losing the diehards untill the next
cutting edge developer comes out with the latest and greatest.

Yeah, I have to admitt that I've had those thoughts as well. When I first saw the newest screenies it looked a lot like Desert Combat. I hope this is not the case. I just hope that they take the best that Frank DeLise ( spelling ? ) has to offer and then expand on that to come up with something truly new and innovative.

From what I've seen so far it really looks promising, but I still hope that this wont just be Dice's version of Desert Combat.

maverick514 · 10-15-2004, 02:26 PM

Balance. As long and Helos aren't overpowering. That's my biggest worry. And smacktards buying the game.

Monkeyfeng · 10-28-2004, 09:40 AM

i personally can't wait to get my hand on this game but my fear is that it turns out to be "retail version of DC". i seriously don't want that to happen. hope that do a good job in balancing the weapons and classes.

DanTesla1 · 10-28-2004, 11:12 PM

Like I said in my other post, I think that some of it will incorperate Frank's ideas. After all, him and his team are the ones who brought us from the old days into the modern ones. But I do think that we can't look at BF2 and say, "Hey, this is just a retail version of Desert Combat! CRAP!!!!" Why? Well, it's pretty obvious to see that Battlefield 2 and Desert Combat are based around the same time. Desert Combat now, and BF2 supposedly 5-10 years from now. Big difference? No. Not like 42 and Vietnam, you will see some of the same weapons and vehicles you saw in DC. Hind, M1 Abrams, Hind, RPG, etc. But you'll definatly know which ideas were DICE's and which ones were Frank's. DICE's are the one's that always surprise us.

Caslon · 10-30-2004, 01:05 PM

My greatest worries about BF2?

Too much razz-matazz.

Then again...mega sequels to online games don't follow the Clinton
campaign slogan from years ago (altered)... keep it simple, stupid.

WOODY · 10-30-2004, 01:22 PM

I haven't heard anyone say "razza-matazz" in ages, how refreshing.

Soyuz · 10-30-2004, 06:49 PM

Sorry for the stupid question but what deos it meen? :/

WOODY · 10-30-2004, 10:07 PM

Actually it's spelled "razzmatazz". It's sorta along the same lines as "Advertising", "Ballyhoo", "Brouhaha", "Bells and Whistles", "Promotion", or "Puffery".

"A flashy action or display intended to bewilder, confuse, or deceive".

I personally prefer "Flim Flam".

Caslon · 11-01-2004, 06:00 AM

As in....BF1942 was the shitz good.

I'm hesitant about how adding a modders dream will make it a must buy.

Take a basic classic and add as many bells and whistles as you can.
C&C tried it and it just burned out after awhile.
It's the nature of the beast.

I'm just saying that we're all going to have to up our online play.

Even a noob could jump in on a BF1942 game.

Now we got super BF1942 type learning needed to be even a newb.

10-12-2004, 08:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dick_Justice Major Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Marl, Germany Posts: 3,350	Your greatest BF2 concerns ? What concerns do you have about BF 2, if any ? I personaly am a bit concerned about the Infantrie vs. Vehicle balance. In BF 1942, vehicles were an important addittion, but Soldiers were always the crucial backbone. I fear this might change in BF 2, judging statements for Lars Gustavsson. Vehicles are supposed to become even more important now than they are already. And obviously modern vehicles are a lot more powerfull than their 60 years older counterparts. I just hope this game won´t be to focused on vehicles and that Infantrie will get their fair share. I get goosebumbs at the vision of an AH-64 Apache circling my spawnpoint fragging me everytime with "all-killer-HE-missiles" while I spawn and there beeing no mean for me to do to defend myself... __________________ Plays BF 2 in Europe under the name of \"Erich_Felsner\"

10-12-2004, 11:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
WOODY Sergeant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Roamng Florida Posts: 358	A lot of that will have to do with the type of maps that will be available. I'm sure there will be a variety to keep things diverse. Just like on some of the regular BF maps, some lean more towards close quarter combat rather than vast open terrain where you have to have a vehicle to survive. From what I've seen so far at least from the infantry standpoint, it's looking pretty good. They're adding more moves such as when you hit the dirt you can roll out of the way, rag-doll physics ( which is my personal favorite ), class equipment and abilities, etc. Don't worry, it'll all be goooooooood. __________________

10-13-2004, 12:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
NavalLord Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 5,835	rag doll physics means that when you die your body will act as a real one, meaning if a tank shell lands infront of you you will go flying back and roll around and die, hilarity for all who watch i too am concerned about vehicle balance, thats one of the reasons why i hate DC is because it is very much leaning towards the vehicles rather than infantry and i hate using tanks, i much prefer regular bf where the infantry are the main focus with vehicle support __________________

10-15-2004, 02:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
maverick514 Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: People's Republic of MA Posts: 6,061	Balance. As long and Helos aren't overpowering. That's my biggest worry. And smacktards buying the game. __________________

10-28-2004, 09:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Monkeyfeng Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Taiwan, can you find it on the map? Posts: 2,785	i personally can't wait to get my hand on this game but my fear is that it turns out to be "retail version of DC". i seriously don't want that to happen. hope that do a good job in balancing the weapons and classes. __________________

10-12-2004, 09:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Soyuz Second Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,472	Your fear will be easily solved by FH mod conversion. I'm pretty sure the game won't be great, but the engin will be. If you look at the new screenshots, what do you see? a game that looks exactly like BF42 (in pariculare DC) exept with better textures! so the shit lieies not in the game but in the engin... At least I hope so... What im worried about is the the commander and team play stuff. Their are too many retards out there that won't listen and the whole games structure will collapse. + sometimes you don't want to be in a team and you want to go alone

10-12-2004, 11:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Soyuz Second Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,472	would the ragdoll thing make you spin asround like in Rainbow 6? (the special-ops game) Cus I really don't like that, I think its really lame. Would it meen if you got shot in the leg you would fall down on you knee. Or are the ragdolls only from the person that is shooting and not from the person that is getting shot? (like in battlefield, when you get shot your "character" looks down at the floor as if you took a bullet to the chest, but for really he is actually looking forward)

10-14-2004, 12:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
SS [FIN] First Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 1,666	My biggest concern is the choppers, they were too easy in bfv and they plan to make them even easier.

10-14-2004, 04:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
grim reaper Forum Moderator Brigadier General Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 7,255	if its crap.

10-15-2004, 02:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
Caslon Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deep inside the Earth. Posts: 4,447	I'm always concerned when a successfull game orginator goes "semi" to the next level. History shows... that developers just develop improvements with bells and whistles to sell more copies. They end up losing the diehards untill the next cutting edge developer comes out with the latest and greatest.

10-15-2004, 02:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Soyuz Second Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,472	What your are talking about Caslon is BFV not BF2 :P At least I hope so

10-28-2004, 11:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
DanTesla1 Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 4,193	Like I said in my other post, I think that some of it will incorperate Frank's ideas. After all, him and his team are the ones who brought us from the old days into the modern ones. But I do think that we can't look at BF2 and say, "Hey, this is just a retail version of Desert Combat! CRAP!!!!" Why? Well, it's pretty obvious to see that Battlefield 2 and Desert Combat are based around the same time. Desert Combat now, and BF2 supposedly 5-10 years from now. Big difference? No. Not like 42 and Vietnam, you will see some of the same weapons and vehicles you saw in DC. Hind, M1 Abrams, Hind, RPG, etc. But you'll definatly know which ideas were DICE's and which ones were Frank's. DICE's are the one's that always surprise us.

10-30-2004, 01:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Caslon Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deep inside the Earth. Posts: 4,447	My greatest worries about BF2? Too much razz-matazz. Then again...mega sequels to online games don't follow the Clinton campaign slogan from years ago (altered)... keep it simple, stupid.

10-30-2004, 01:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
WOODY Sergeant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Roamng Florida Posts: 358	I haven't heard anyone say "razza-matazz" in ages, how refreshing. __________________

10-30-2004, 06:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
Soyuz Second Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,472	Sorry for the stupid question but what deos it meen? :/

10-30-2004, 10:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
WOODY Sergeant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Roamng Florida Posts: 358	Actually it's spelled "razzmatazz". It's sorta along the same lines as "Advertising", "Ballyhoo", "Brouhaha", "Bells and Whistles", "Promotion", or "Puffery". "A flashy action or display intended to bewilder, confuse, or deceive". I personally prefer "Flim Flam". __________________

11-01-2004, 06:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
Caslon Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deep inside the Earth. Posts: 4,447	As in....BF1942 was the shitz good. I'm hesitant about how adding a modders dream will make it a must buy. Take a basic classic and add as many bells and whistles as you can. C&C tried it and it just burned out after awhile. It's the nature of the beast. I'm just saying that we're all going to have to up our online play. Even a noob could jump in on a BF1942 game. Now we got super BF1942 type learning needed to be even a newb.