Germany in denial?

Chewbacca · 09-03-2002, 05:18 PM

Okay this may not be a popular opinion but am i the only person a little pissed off at EA for delaying the release of BF42 in europe cause the germans dont liek all the nazi iconology?

Tell me if im wrong, but isnt that denial of the past, sanitised to keep the germans happy?

I think EA has dropped the ball big time on this, and when u consider other games based around the ww2 era (mods like DoD, Moh etc etc) it appears no thought was given to it.

As far as im concerned EA have bowed down to political correctness, and whats next?

No crashing aeroplanes cause it offends the Afgans? No blood cause it might disturb peoples minds? Hell why have the game in the first place?

Phrenzy · 09-03-2002, 05:21 PM

I guess i'm one of the only people who doesn't really care about this fact. Banning symbols is one thing, denying past is another. Former does not equal the latter.

Jakal · 09-03-2002, 05:22 PM

Totally wrong.

The germans arent responsible for the europe-delay, that has been set by EA a long time ago (or is not possible due to technical blah blah ( i dont believe in that anyways))

Theyre responsible for the general 1 week delay, oh and if you dbe german you would understand why. Its not easy to deal with the past for us, and you can complain as much as you want. Not that i like that delay and the removal of the swastika, but i know why it has been made.

Docastillo · 09-03-2002, 05:25 PM

Personally I think removing all of marks of it, 1. gives it a lot more publicity by making it news and 2. is denying the past...

If you want to deal with something, removing all marks so you won't see it as often isn't way imo...

KeysersozeH · 09-03-2002, 05:57 PM

Lol the afghan didnt crash that plane ont the wtc u dimwitt lol... anyway ... it think your totally right bout the rest. C'mon EA... This really is stupid!!!

socrates · 09-03-2002, 05:59 PM

the idiots are coming out of the woodworks to visit eh

progrmr · 09-03-2002, 06:26 PM

Not displaying the swastika is NOT denial of the past for Germans. I think it's just Germany saying 'Look, we hate the nazis as much as the next guy and to show you how serious we are, the swastika will not be permitted to displayed in any products..'

EA screwed this one up...RTCW had the swastikas remomved and I'm 90% certain that MOH:AA as sold in Germany doesn't have any swastikas either.

For EA to not know about this restriction in Germany seems unbelievable to me.

Karsten · 09-03-2002, 06:33 PM

OK... lets get our facts straight here.

The release is delayed, NOT because of a simple replace of a texture
The release is delayed because of logistics. Most likly the simple fact that shipping them to a different continent takes a little while.
Germany is not denying the past, it rather is serious about idiots that feel like it is cool to glorify the past. There is a LAW that forbits the display of the Nazi symbol as well as the well knows Nazi greeting.

I have a friend that works at a large Air-Cargo outfit. On big Game releases he sees on occasion big pallets loaded with the Games. I am not sure where EA is mass producing this one, but if you think about simple logistics you will find that a simple week is hardly a lot of time.

Miro · 09-03-2002, 06:50 PM

correct me if im wrong but not all germans in the war were Nazis nor were they all bad equaly not all alied soldiers were heroes there were good guys and bad guys on each side. and well alot has changed so its hardly fair to brand all germans based on history .. i for one wouldnt like to be branded with all the bad things the british have done in the past would you?

Eagle_Eye_87 · 09-03-2002, 06:55 PM

i find myself agreeing with karsten, this is not a matter of bowing to political correctness, it is complying with a country's LAW. and yes MOH: AA has the swastica. on the v2 rocket level, its everywhere. and on a bunch of others, they hang all over the place.

Jeffrey · 09-03-2002, 07:45 PM

I want to kill the people who delayed bf1942!!!!!!!!!!!I want it !!!!NOW!!!!

progrmr · 09-03-2002, 08:22 PM

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find myself agreeing with karsten, this is not a matter of bowing to political correctness, it is complying with a country's LAW. and yes MOH: AA has the swastica. on the v2 rocket level, its everywhere. and on a bunch of others, they hang all over the place.

Really?? How the hell did that get through if there's a law preventing it??

Eagle_Eye_87 · 09-03-2002, 08:43 PM

i dunno, i just know there are swatikas all over the place in MOH:AA.

Coulter · 09-03-2002, 08:48 PM

Um RTCW had a swastika?! WTF?! I musta bought the wrong game then, because the game I got, AS IT COMES out of the shrink wrap, has ZERO swastikas in it. I had to DL a player made patch to make the flags right. Now someone comes on here and says "RTCW HAD THEM", man I must have been a Mo and bought some German version they sold at the EB in Texas.

Hrm as a matter of fact I don't remember MOHAA having them either, had to get another player made patch for it to. Man I must be wasting my money on German games.

-j

(And if you can't tell alot of the was sarcasm)

Eagle_Eye_87 · 09-03-2002, 08:50 PM

if you look in the v2 rocket facility map you will see many many swastikas. and on a bunch of other maps, custom and not custom. v2 comes with the game and there are a huge amount of swastikas in the sp mode as well.

Marine01 · 09-03-2002, 09:33 PM

It is denial. Germany cant handle that there were some real dumasses sixty years ago. You guy's need to just suck it up. Quit wining. If Germany didn't make such a big fuss about this there would be no delay.

stahl · 09-03-2002, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye_87

if you look in the v2 rocket facility map you will see many many swastikas. and on a bunch of other maps, custom and not custom. v2 comes with the game and there are a huge amount of swastikas in the sp mode as well.

Are you from Germany? Your profile says Washington, Seattle.

That's like me (from Cleveland) saying, hey, Battlefield has swastikas.

*BUZZ* not in Germany it doesn't.

Plus, what's with all the Non-Germans bitching and moaning about something they plain obviously don't understand?

The swastika, including any other Nazi-related symbols, items, or figures of speech are outlawed, period. That doesn't have anything to do with denial, but with the fact that such horrible events should be prevented from occuring ever again.

Look at what happened after 9/11. You can't take knifes, razors, scissors, etc. on board of an aircraft. I don't bitch and moan about it either, do I? It's a security measure, nothing more.

Plus, why do ignorant ass people bitch and moan about shit that doesn't affect them, eh?

Grow up.

Chewbacca · 09-03-2002, 10:55 PM

The point I was trying to put across is this is a GAME.

I agree that it must be damn hard for modern day germany to deal with the past, but thats just what it is the past. In the same way Japan has been dealing with a similar past and thye now are stronger from it. By hiding those things whicjh remind you of the past you are denying those of the current generation an undrestanding of what happened, and a man who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat the mistakes of their fathers.

I also understand that the allies are not all heros, i still beleive that the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki rate highly as war crimes but history is always written by the winners.

As a final thought, does anyone actually know what the swaztika stands for?

It is a symbol of light and hope which Hitler and the Nazi party hijacked for their own personal uses.

Coulter · 09-03-2002, 11:01 PM

Um do you know how Japan dealt with their past? They re-wrote their classroom history books and no make ZERO mention of Pearl Harbor in them; although, they do make heavy mention of Nagasaki. In their current history books we are just an evil people who came from the east to attack them, essentially for no reason. Fortunatly many Japanese are trying to get this changed, but with little luck so far.

ColKilgore · 09-03-2002, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stahl

Look at what happened after 9/11. You can't take knifes, razors, scissors, etc. on board of an aircraft. I don't bitch and moan about it either, do I? It's a security measure, nothing more.

Grow up.

Absolutely TERRIBLE analogy. Safety precautions and a blantant attempt to censor symbols of a terrible thing that happened long ago have NOTHING to do with each other.

09-03-2002, 05:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chewbacca Private Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 20	Germany in denial? Okay this may not be a popular opinion but am i the only person a little pissed off at EA for delaying the release of BF42 in europe cause the germans dont liek all the nazi iconology? Tell me if im wrong, but isnt that denial of the past, sanitised to keep the germans happy? I think EA has dropped the ball big time on this, and when u consider other games based around the ww2 era (mods like DoD, Moh etc etc) it appears no thought was given to it. As far as im concerned EA have bowed down to political correctness, and whats next? No crashing aeroplanes cause it offends the Afgans? No blood cause it might disturb peoples minds? Hell why have the game in the first place? __________________ When all else fails, get the nukes out

09-03-2002, 05:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Phrenzy Second Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Transporting your ass around the battlefield. Posts: 1,447	I guess i'm one of the only people who doesn't really care about this fact. Banning symbols is one thing, denying past is another. Former does not equal the latter. __________________ He\'s Eating the world! There\'s an E there, see?

09-03-2002, 05:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jakal Chief Warrant Officer First Class Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Behind you, with a knife Posts: 992	Totally wrong. The germans arent responsible for the europe-delay, that has been set by EA a long time ago (or is not possible due to technical blah blah ( i dont believe in that anyways)) Theyre responsible for the general 1 week delay, oh and if you dbe german you would understand why. Its not easy to deal with the past for us, and you can complain as much as you want. Not that i like that delay and the removal of the swastika, but i know why it has been made. __________________ <center></center>

09-03-2002, 06:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Karsten Corporal Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 178	Facts OK... lets get our facts straight here. The release is delayed, NOT because of a simple replace of a texture The release is delayed because of logistics. Most likly the simple fact that shipping them to a different continent takes a little while. Germany is not denying the past, it rather is serious about idiots that feel like it is cool to glorify the past. There is a LAW that forbits the display of the Nazi symbol as well as the well knows Nazi greeting. I have a friend that works at a large Air-Cargo outfit. On big Game releases he sees on occasion big pallets loaded with the Games. I am not sure where EA is mass producing this one, but if you think about simple logistics you will find that a simple week is hardly a lot of time.

09-03-2002, 07:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jeffrey Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 80	Re: Germany in denial? I want to kill the people who delayed bf1942!!!!!!!!!!!I want it !!!!NOW!!!! __________________ http--home.earthlink.net-~promethean-images-snakebar.gif

09-03-2002, 05:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Docastillo Warrant Officer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 807	Personally I think removing all of marks of it, 1. gives it a lot more publicity by making it news and 2. is denying the past... If you want to deal with something, removing all marks so you won't see it as often isn't way imo...

09-03-2002, 05:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
KeysersozeH Private Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Holland / GB Posts: 27	Lol the afghan didnt crash that plane ont the wtc u dimwitt lol... anyway ... it think your totally right bout the rest. C'mon EA... This really is stupid!!!

09-03-2002, 05:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
socrates Private Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 59	the idiots are coming out of the woodworks to visit eh

09-03-2002, 06:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
progrmr Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 44	Not displaying the swastika is NOT denial of the past for Germans. I think it's just Germany saying 'Look, we hate the nazis as much as the next guy and to show you how serious we are, the swastika will not be permitted to displayed in any products..' EA screwed this one up...RTCW had the swastikas remomved and I'm 90% certain that MOH:AA as sold in Germany doesn't have any swastikas either. For EA to not know about this restriction in Germany seems unbelievable to me.

09-03-2002, 06:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Miro Private Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21	correct me if im wrong but not all germans in the war were Nazis nor were they all bad equaly not all alied soldiers were heroes there were good guys and bad guys on each side. and well alot has changed so its hardly fair to brand all germans based on history .. i for one wouldnt like to be branded with all the bad things the british have done in the past would you?

09-03-2002, 06:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eagle_Eye_87 Warrant Officer First Class Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 873	i find myself agreeing with karsten, this is not a matter of bowing to political correctness, it is complying with a country's LAW. and yes MOH: AA has the swastica. on the v2 rocket level, its everywhere. and on a bunch of others, they hang all over the place.

09-03-2002, 08:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Eagle_Eye_87 Warrant Officer First Class Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 873	i dunno, i just know there are swatikas all over the place in MOH:AA.

09-03-2002, 08:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Coulter Private 1st Class Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	Um RTCW had a swastika?! WTF?! I musta bought the wrong game then, because the game I got, AS IT COMES out of the shrink wrap, has ZERO swastikas in it. I had to DL a player made patch to make the flags right. Now someone comes on here and says "RTCW HAD THEM", man I must have been a Mo and bought some German version they sold at the EB in Texas. Hrm as a matter of fact I don't remember MOHAA having them either, had to get another player made patch for it to. Man I must be wasting my money on German games. -j (And if you can't tell alot of the was sarcasm)

09-03-2002, 08:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
Eagle_Eye_87 Warrant Officer First Class Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 873	if you look in the v2 rocket facility map you will see many many swastikas. and on a bunch of other maps, custom and not custom. v2 comes with the game and there are a huge amount of swastikas in the sp mode as well.

09-03-2002, 09:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Marine01 Private Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: you'll see me on the battle field Posts: 25	It is denial. Germany cant handle that there were some real dumasses sixty years ago. You guy's need to just suck it up. Quit wining. If Germany didn't make such a big fuss about this there would be no delay.

09-03-2002, 10:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Chewbacca Private Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 20	The point I was trying to put across is this is a GAME. I agree that it must be damn hard for modern day germany to deal with the past, but thats just what it is the past. In the same way Japan has been dealing with a similar past and thye now are stronger from it. By hiding those things whicjh remind you of the past you are denying those of the current generation an undrestanding of what happened, and a man who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat the mistakes of their fathers. I also understand that the allies are not all heros, i still beleive that the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki rate highly as war crimes but history is always written by the winners. As a final thought, does anyone actually know what the swaztika stands for? It is a symbol of light and hope which Hitler and the Nazi party hijacked for their own personal uses. __________________ When all else fails, get the nukes out

09-03-2002, 11:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
Coulter Private 1st Class Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	Um do you know how Japan dealt with their past? They re-wrote their classroom history books and no make ZERO mention of Pearl Harbor in them; although, they do make heavy mention of Nagasaki. In their current history books we are just an evil people who came from the east to attack them, essentially for no reason. Fortunatly many Japanese are trying to get this changed, but with little luck so far.