Wtf..? I don't like this...

ZeroMan · 08-31-2002, 01:42 PM

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The release date pushback was necessary because germany decided that certain instances of Nazi symbolism were too prevalent in the game...therefore they wanted them removed for the European version.
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When I read this I became really sad. I thought BF would be every thing a WWII game where supposed to.

I hope some smart pepole makes a patch so the german get's it's symbol's.

Docastillo · 08-31-2002, 01:56 PM

I don't really care.

BF 0wnz, with or withouth the swastika's

CJMello63 · 08-31-2002, 03:01 PM

I am actualy surprised they didn't think of that ahead of time. A lot of other games do so and what is taken out can usually be modded back in.

[LoD]MaN!aC · 08-31-2002, 03:09 PM

The only pitty ´bout this is the fact that the game is delayed...

I don´t care for the Nazi crosses... they don´t make the game better !

Battlefield rocks with or without Nazi symbols !

ColKilgore · 08-31-2002, 04:36 PM

I think it's all a bunch of BS! This game is about war between two sides and each side should be represented accurately (even though this game sucks at representing respective armament). Taking the swastika out of the game will not make the atrocities of the past disappear. It's just like the assheaded decision not to include violence in a war game! I wish those people who make those decisions would pull their pacifiers out of their mouth and have the balls to make this game what it should be...

richcz3 · 08-31-2002, 04:45 PM

Could someone post a factual link to the news article.
Everyone appears to have read it on another forum. And so....wheres the link to the proposed news article.

I've seen each one of these discussions turn into a nationality flame war within 20 posts. Lets try and get facts before we make decisions to say anything. please.

richcz3

CJMello63 · 08-31-2002, 04:54 PM

ColKilgore, it seems its the adults trying to protect the kids. Big problem is the kids know better. I have no problem with the historical symbols but the suits at the companies sure do.

Lwcs · 08-31-2002, 09:13 PM

Its got nout to do with national clashes,

Unless the maps are covering a battle in which only the wehrmacht (or whatever the Nazi divisions were) the german army flag is the cross, not a bloody swastika.

If theres a swastika in game I want Yellow Submarines
& Nice Turquiose trousers for the Yanks. ohh & can the grenades be banananas plz. Or would that just be stupid??

bchsom16 · 08-31-2002, 09:37 PM

i guess no one here knows that in Germany it is against the law to have subject pertaining to nazism

CJMello63 · 08-31-2002, 09:38 PM

I mentioned something to that effect in another thread.

maverick514 · 08-31-2002, 10:50 PM

OK, has any of this ACTAULLY been confirmed outside of that forum.... because on no other BF stie that i have visited (including the official site) no mention of this has been made. Like some other guy said... EA has already been through the same thing with Medal of Honor, and I think they know what is legal and what isn't, and plus, how log has the game been in development??? I think the Germans would have already noticed!

CJMello63 · 08-31-2002, 11:39 PM

Swastika history:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/15/151.html

maverick514 · 08-31-2002, 11:43 PM

on bf1942.com, there was a better link. www.swastika.com , it is kinda crazy, but it gives "theoretical" info and the real history of the swastika

Poopetrator · 09-01-2002, 12:12 AM

ok i got an idea. how about ea changes the flag for the sold product. But make a skin modification available for download so that u can replace the german flag with nazi flag. That way whoever doesnt want to have it in the game just doesnt need to download it. And whoever does want it in the game WILL download it. I would download it. I want to keep all realism inside the game or at least the historical part. Remember this is just my opinion and i think its a really good idea for ea to consider it. May someone who has personal contacts or something close to it let EA know if my idea. This could really help out the people who would like the flag to stay and help the germans keep it out also.

maverick514 · 09-01-2002, 12:53 AM

or, better yet, they could have a littel menu before the game , and instead aor having the usual question, "DO you want blood? yes or no" have it something like "Historically Accurate Sights yes or no", and but since nothing to do with nazi'sis allowed in germany, whats the point?

PzGr. Metzger · 09-01-2002, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwcs

If theres a swastika in game I want Yellow Submarines
& Nice Turquiose trousers for the Yanks. ohh & can the grenades be banananas plz. Or would that just be stupid??

What??!! Swastikas were present in Nazi occupied areas, it's not make believe. Soon we'll get into a discussion about how the Union Jack is offensive to us "Yanks" that had relatives that died during the revolution. Let's move on...

seals · 09-01-2002, 01:34 AM

i already told everyone this onece they only took it out in the EU version and not in the american so dont worry if your in america but burn every thing you own if you live in gremany or somewhere like that

Swedish Chef · 09-01-2002, 06:31 PM

What's the point of making a WW2 game that doesn't even represent the players in that war????? Why not just creat fictional characters, nations, etc.... How about Spaj's, Sima's, Izan's, Der's (read those backwards).

Will EA or other saps someday make a game about another war and omit factual information/images/data that rubs a small number of people the wrong way? (There are over 6 BILLION people on the planet - I cannot believe that a small group of people - whoever they are - can in all honestly state that they represent the interests of all!!!)

Political correctness can only go so far before everyone's scared to say "moo" without offending a cow!.

Gimme a break

Dio · 09-01-2002, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swedish Chef

Political correctness can only go so far before everyone's scared to say "moo" without offending a cow!.

Gimme a break

LOL!
So true!!

Grumman · 09-01-2002, 11:53 PM

I love that Swedish Chef, I hate this policaly correct crap sooo much

08-31-2002, 01:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
ZeroMan Private Join Date: May 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 7	Wtf..? I don't like this... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The release date pushback was necessary because germany decided that certain instances of Nazi symbolism were too prevalent in the game...therefore they wanted them removed for the European version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I read this I became really sad. I thought BF would be every thing a WWII game where supposed to. I hope some smart pepole makes a patch so the german get's it's symbol's.

08-31-2002, 03:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	I am actualy surprised they didn't think of that ahead of time. A lot of other games do so and what is taken out can usually be modded back in. __________________

08-31-2002, 03:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
[LoD]MaN!aC Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8	The only pitty ´bout this is the fact that the game is delayed... I don´t care for the Nazi crosses... they don´t make the game better ! Battlefield rocks with or without Nazi symbols ! __________________ Fear of the Dark ?

08-31-2002, 04:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
ColKilgore Master Warrant Officer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Great U.S. Posts: 1,079	I think it's all a bunch of BS! This game is about war between two sides and each side should be represented accurately (even though this game sucks at representing respective armament). Taking the swastika out of the game will not make the atrocities of the past disappear. It's just like the assheaded decision not to include violence in a war game! I wish those people who make those decisions would pull their pacifiers out of their mouth and have the balls to make this game what it should be... __________________ Someday this war is going to end. And today, I have seen that end. The Best to all of you! Keep up the good fight!

08-31-2002, 04:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	ColKilgore, it seems its the adults trying to protect the kids. Big problem is the kids know better. I have no problem with the historical symbols but the suits at the companies sure do. __________________

08-31-2002, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Docastillo Warrant Officer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 807	I don't really care. BF 0wnz, with or withouth the swastika's

08-31-2002, 04:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
richcz3 Staff Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 294	Could someone post a factual link to the news article. Everyone appears to have read it on another forum. And so....wheres the link to the proposed news article. I've seen each one of these discussions turn into a nationality flame war within 20 posts. Lets try and get facts before we make decisions to say anything. please. richcz3

08-31-2002, 09:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lwcs Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13	Its got nout to do with national clashes, Unless the maps are covering a battle in which only the wehrmacht (or whatever the Nazi divisions were) the german army flag is the cross, not a bloody swastika. If theres a swastika in game I want Yellow Submarines & Nice Turquiose trousers for the Yanks. ohh & can the grenades be banananas plz. Or would that just be stupid??

08-31-2002, 09:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
bchsom16 Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3	i guess no one here knows that in Germany it is against the law to have subject pertaining to nazism

08-31-2002, 09:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	I mentioned something to that effect in another thread. __________________

08-31-2002, 10:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
maverick514 Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: People's Republic of MA Posts: 6,061	OK, has any of this ACTAULLY been confirmed outside of that forum.... because on no other BF stie that i have visited (including the official site) no mention of this has been made. Like some other guy said... EA has already been through the same thing with Medal of Honor, and I think they know what is legal and what isn't, and plus, how log has the game been in development??? I think the Germans would have already noticed! __________________

08-31-2002, 11:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
CJMello63 Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Raynham, MA Posts: 3,803	Swastika history: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/15/151.html __________________

08-31-2002, 11:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
maverick514 Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: People's Republic of MA Posts: 6,061	on bf1942.com, there was a better link. www.swastika.com , it is kinda crazy, but it gives "theoretical" info and the real history of the swastika __________________

09-01-2002, 12:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
Poopetrator Specialist Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Follow the yellow brick road Posts: 200	ok i got an idea. how about ea changes the flag for the sold product. But make a skin modification available for download so that u can replace the german flag with nazi flag. That way whoever doesnt want to have it in the game just doesnt need to download it. And whoever does want it in the game WILL download it. I would download it. I want to keep all realism inside the game or at least the historical part. Remember this is just my opinion and i think its a really good idea for ea to consider it. May someone who has personal contacts or something close to it let EA know if my idea. This could really help out the people who would like the flag to stay and help the germans keep it out also.

09-01-2002, 12:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
maverick514 Colonel Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: People's Republic of MA Posts: 6,061	or, better yet, they could have a littel menu before the game , and instead aor having the usual question, "DO you want blood? yes or no" have it something like "Historically Accurate Sights yes or no", and but since nothing to do with nazi'sis allowed in germany, whats the point? __________________

09-01-2002, 01:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
seals Command Sergeant Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: in my heli about to mess you up! Posts: 654	i already told everyone this onece they only took it out in the EU version and not in the american so dont worry if your in america but burn every thing you own if you live in gremany or somewhere like that

09-01-2002, 06:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
Swedish Chef First Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,637	What's the point of making a WW2 game that doesn't even represent the players in that war????? Why not just creat fictional characters, nations, etc.... How about Spaj's, Sima's, Izan's, Der's (read those backwards). Will EA or other saps someday make a game about another war and omit factual information/images/data that rubs a small number of people the wrong way? (There are over 6 BILLION people on the planet - I cannot believe that a small group of people - whoever they are - can in all honestly state that they represent the interests of all!!!) Political correctness can only go so far before everyone's scared to say "moo" without offending a cow!. Gimme a break

09-01-2002, 11:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
Grumman First Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 586	I love that Swedish Chef, I hate this policaly correct crap sooo much __________________ Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. -Edmund Burke