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07-08-2003, 03:42 PM
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plus the silver paste voids your warranty from amd and is also a hype product marketed to newbs. arctic alumina "performs" exactly the same, is 1/3 the price, cleans up easily and is approved by amd.
but the price i quoted was for retail... with cooler. |
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07-08-2003, 05:54 PM
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PC Gamer lists them for around $10 and I can find some cheap ones online for about $12 but when I go to a store like CompUSA they have them for $25! I'm probably going to get the D865GBFL (http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_t...f78de&tab_id=1) from Intel. Do you approve it Rugged_1, is it future compatible? 
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07-08-2003, 07:37 PM
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well... it's a good solid product, but not future proof. i'll explain...
PCI express will have 4 times the peak bandwidth of agp8x, will not cause latency problems by hogging the PCI bus (sound snaps and pops, network drops etc) video cards will no longer need to go in that one specific place. you could put it on your bottom slot and maximize cooling. PCI express is already set up for the new nforce 3. plus the new radeon 9900 256MB is supposed to ship as a PCI express card, with an agp 8x adapter. the nforce 3 is out now, and the radeon 9900 should be out in two months. the board you showed me is brand new. it uses the 200mhz x 4 pentium 4. this is effective 800 mhz FSB. for every clock cycle, the cpu can fetch data 800 times. the DDR400 that the board you linked to supports can only send data to the cpu 400 times. this equals a bottleneck. while the board you showed me is one of the fastest solutions available today... in three moths or so it won't nessasarily be obsolete, but it wont be compatable with the new technology. so if you build a new machine with that board, then if you want to upgrade to the fastest crap again in 6 or 9 months, none of your cards will work. they just plain wont fit, and even though there will be adapters... they're adapters... hate them...loathe them. so if you score that p4 with 800 mhz fsb and in 6 moths you want to put it in a new faster board, you can have DDRII-800mhz. this will synchronize the data transfer between your p4 and the ram at 800 mhz. this is much more efficient. an exiting year is ahead of us... hardware wise. I'm not saying it's foolish to upgrade, cause that's sacreligious, but it's foolish to spend top dollar on all the finest parts, cause 90% of them are gonna be dead end parts. i bought a r9700 pro last year. at the time i had an xp2000+, now i upgraded to a 2800+ and my speed increase was exponential. i dont know if you read the anandtech article on cpu scaling with video cards, but in essence all video cards have a ceiling. when they hit it, the only way to go faster is to overclock the card. i am confusing myself here.... ok lets say i have a r9700 and a ti4600 on a 2ghz p4. in ut2k3 botmatch i get 62 with the ti4600 and 78 with the radeon. so i upgrade to a 3 ghz p4, then i get 72 with the ti4600 and 99 with the radeon, hence, the radeon outscales the ti4600. so my r9700pro was a good investment cause even after going from 2000+ to 2800+ there is still more room to make the card scale higher. that board you linked is excellent... and if you toss a 3ghz p4 in there it should carry you for a year and a half at least... but then you're gonna want to upgrade and none of your cards will fit. now on to the statement "PC Gamer lists them for around $10 and I can find some cheap ones online for about $12 but when I go to a store like CompUSA they have them for $25!" was this word play on the word "hammer"? or what cause it confused me. anyway hammer is the new amd athlon64. the same technology that crapple licensed for their new g5. it smokes the crapple, it smokes the p4, the xeon, everything out there. it is a 754 pin socket cpu, almost twice the pins of the athlon, and runs an 800 mhz fsb and will range from 2.2ghz to 4.0 ghz. some are kicking around now, but nvidia just started releasing the nforce 3 to manufacturers a couple of weeks ago. this is highly significant because the amd architechture has been the most advanced for the longest. this is how a 2.13ghz amd with a 333 MHZ fsb can hang even with a 3.2 ghz p4 with a 533 mhz fsb. at a 900mhz disadvantage externally and a 200 mhz fsb disadvantage, it should be hopeless... but the athlon competes because the instruction set is so much more refined. it takes 24 steps for a p4 to do what an athlon does in 16. so when the hammers are all over, and i have an athlon 64 clawhammer in my machine that is even with the clockspeed of a p4 (800 mhz fsb / 3.0 ghz) it will be so much faster than the p4 it's hard to predict and will be hard to measure. i tend to ramble on these tech posts.... all the while ignoring my own tech site...  guess i just lubb that bf community. |
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07-08-2003, 07:40 PM
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oh, and on parts like memory and cpus, where they're ordered by bulk, it's best to NEVER use compusa. for my mom last week i got a 2600+ retail. it was 275.00 at comp usa and 89.99 at mwave.
nice pricing newbs. i need a computer store to sell overmarked stuff to newbs..... anyone want to go into business with me? |
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07-08-2003, 08:34 PM
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I see rugged_1. So the best board for me to get would be an Nforce 3 and I'd just have to convert to AMD processors and all my other cards would still work? AMD doesn't bother me, their cheaper then Intel, but I've always used Intel. I like RAM too. If I can say to some unadvanced computer user I have the capacity for 4 gb of RAM, I feel proud!
 My birthday is coming up and I need to find out what I should try to get my parents to get me. Any of this stuff out on the market yet? I was asking for a RAM upgrade and a new mobo but I guess that's changed around, but I'm not sure to where yet.I forgot to mention I was talking about floppy drives. I need a new one (I think). I gutted one from my mom's old work computer and it seemed to work fine. My case has the fancy design that sticks out and the drive doesn't come flat out to the case like CD drives do. I guess it isn't aligned right or in there because it rarely reads floppy disks. It spins up fast then slows down to a stop. Sometimes I can't open the disk on my computer, sometimes it asks if I want to format it... I can't find them for cheap though! Last time I checked they were $12 on Pricegrabber. That's too expensive for something I'm going to use every once in a while.I try not to buy from CompUSA and Best Buy. They sometimes have good offers. They were selling a router for $9.99, it took about 6 hours to install...my internet feels soooo lagged down, BF Nation seems to mess up a lot today. I might just go spend money on a Linksys. I'm going to be damn sure I'm getting that rebate though. I didn't spend $60 on crap. I bought $70 DDR ram from BestBuy too. Supposed to be a rebate and end up $40. Well, a few days ago I got a nice little card in the mail explaining, but not why, that my rebate was rejected. So I spent $70 on 512mb of 2100 DDR?!?!? No longer will I buy anything but games from those stores. Heh, if you want to sell overpriced stuff to newbs you should check out this POS PC Warehouse store near me. I had them install a new hard drive (this was before I knew I could d) and reformat. I had wanted Windows to be on D, because normally junk gets installed to C. I wanted junk installs away from Windows. So, I backed everything up on the drive we wanted to keep. They come back and reformated the wrong one and still put Windows on C (which I think you need to do). It costed about $100 labor...I could do that in 2 hours today for labor worth $25... Anyway, I got some space I could find on my site could install OsCommerce (or whatever) for you if you want to sell Half-Life for $30 saying how you get games like TFC, Natural Selection, Day of Defeat all in one. "No, you don't need to spend $20 on Day of Defeat. Half-Life already has it!"
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07-08-2003, 08:47 PM
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no no nforce 3 is not what to go with RIGHT NOW, it needs to mature in retail for a month or so to give nv time to release drivers. yes amd's are faster and more efficient than pentiums, they're also hotter requiring louder cooling.
why dont you tell me what all is in your system now and well look at what to upgrade.... and on the nforce 3 it is PCI express so you wouldnt be able to use the cards that are currently in your system. on the floppy... is there a store by you called "pc club" ? here they always have floppies in the bargain bin for 5 dollars. |
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07-08-2003, 08:55 PM
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Ok, well my birthday is July 18 (w00t! driver's permit, dew00t...day 2 of driving school: it sucks!).
Unfortunately no PC Clubs around here. Quote:
I have added 2 fans to the side of my case and have a craptaculer GeForce FX 5200 which is not friendly with BF1942 and needs to be rehoused into a budget PC. Noise isn't a problem, I welcome noise. I ain't gonna spend $17.99 on a noise mat! Just increases heat! The Sandra report doesn't mention I have a 512mb stick of (2100) DDR RAM. That goes in a budget PC too. It may have picked up on the Sound Blaster 2 Platinum though. Repair me!
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07-08-2003, 10:37 PM
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get a processor upgrade. that's where you're going to get the MOST bang for your buck. you can get a 2.4 ghz p4 that will fit your board for about 160.00
keep the rest as is. you should be fine for h/l-2 then sometime next year, buy yourself an entire new computer. (from parts and assemble yourself) you'll be driving soon, so that means get your ass a job. the 2.4 ghz p4 /400 mhz fsb is the last upgrade for that comp. keep it around, whole after you get a new one, that way if you have a friend over and want to play bf, you'll have two pcs. i run a cpu, vidcard with direct connect, 2 optical, 4 harddrives, 7 80mm 80cfm fans, a rheobus, 3 12" cold cathodes, and two dimm sticks from a 431 watt psu and still have mad spare wattage. look for an antec truppower 430 watt or enermax 465 series (431 watt) those are the two best psus that arent super wasteful and extravagant (like pc powercooling or koolance) antec has a 3 year warranty and enermax' is 1 year, but i've used them both and built hundreds of pcs with either/or in them and only had one go bad in many many years... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=- new driver's license huh? here's my free advice... never drive after drinking, not even a little, call your parents... if you explain the situation they will be happier that you called them than mad at the fact you drank. if you feel you have to hide things from your parents plus get loaded and drive than smoke pot, it's totally safe. foolish stunts and speeding are for immature kids (yeah yeah i know) unless you're on a closed course. remember that every other car on the road has the potential to have a child in it. the kinda women you get with sporty cars are the kind of women that are a real bummer to be around. materialism sucks.... (kept 73k hidden in bank for three years while i dated wife, .. till we married) just be careful, dont follow to close, and dont race around. it's better to be a 26 year old boring driver than a 17 year old corpse. sorry if i bummed you out  driving is the greatest thiung in the whole world! |
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07-09-2003, 12:42 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't think a new CPU will get rid of a lot of my problems. That's why I really want a new motherboard. The current motherboard is budgetware junk. Didn't even have an AGP slot! I was doing fine in all the essential games with an 800mhz processor except things were kinda slow. I'm going to try to wait out and keep the 1.8ghz Celeron because, albeit slow it does all I need it to do. Plus, I need to get a new graphics card because after my FX 5200 purchase I have lost all faith in Nvidia.
My whole idea was to make a constantly upgradeable system. I don't want to put aside my current computer and build up again. This is my baby!  Plus its all black with a metal case and I spent the extra $10-20 on the horrid Audigy 2 Platinum black faceplate! So, sorry to shoot you down. I know you know what you're talking about. But, what should I do too keep this system? Like a mobo, RAM... I do need more ram too. When I run games it drops down to around 4 mb!!!  Windows idle leaves only around 220mb. Now that I guess I'm going with AMD, what's their "version" of hyper-threading?
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07-09-2003, 06:09 PM
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amd's version of hyper threading is hyper transport, new on the hammers... gonna have to wait for that....
you have the 5200 still? then get: amd 2500+ /2600+ for around 80, and the epox or fic nforce 2 motherboard for 80. for now you can use your ram, later you can upgrade to ddr400 and get a nice video card. what type/make/model/size of power supply do you have? |
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