New Assault rifles

Dick_Justice · 06-12-2003, 04:18 PM

After playing 1.4 for a bit know I´ve come to the conclusion, that the new Assault rifles are rather strong and accurate (a lot like the Breda) compared with the original weapons. The assault rifle balance was fairly good between BAR and Stg, but now the new rifles seem to won the lot. Especially the russian DP is overpowered with its 47 rounds magazine and far to accurate.
Instead of making the assault rifles more and more powerfully DICE should try to balance them more.
At the moment I think the game weapons need a little tweaking. I generally think all weapons in-game are to accurate for good gameplay.
DP: higher RoF, less accurate
Type 99: lower RoF
Breda: less accurate
BAR: fine
Stg: fine

remf · 06-12-2003, 05:22 PM

Personally I think it really depends how you use the assault rifles. I think the DP is aimed for the real team players. Remember how MoH used the BAR very much for covering fire? Well I think that's probably what DiCE were aiming for here. Something where some guy could kneel on a corner of a street in Berlin, and just pull the trigger, while the rest of his team move to another position.

The STG is greatly improved, whilst I don't like the new sound I think it comes closer to competing with the BAR.

I think it really depends what situation you find yourself in. Personally if I am on an open map with a lot of space I prefer the BAR because it is far more accurate over range. It's easy to take people down from about 600 m away. However, if I'm defending or trying to clear the stairway on a map like Stalingrad, I'd take an STG any day of the week. It has more bullets, is more powerful in its initial shots, and the spray created is better for close combat.

yetix · 06-12-2003, 06:12 PM

valid points justice, but the game has been out for a while now and players are getting better too. my new fav still is the SKS in EoD...very sensitive r.o.f. you can fire 1, 3, or full auto with just mouse click pressure.

maverick514 · 06-12-2003, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yetix

valid points justice, but the game has been out for a while now and players are getting better too. my new fav still is the SKS in EoD...very sensitive r.o.f. you can fire 1, 3, or full auto with just mouse click pressure.

the sks can go full auto? 3 round burst? i never knew that, d'oh

yetix · 06-12-2003, 08:25 PM

/puts down crack

ok, then maybe it's a Chinese made/copy AK 47/74?
2 of my SKS's looks amazingly similar to the assault weapon in EoD.

Rugged_1 · 06-12-2003, 08:34 PM

in real life there were no 3 round burst/full auto sks. russia didnt get small auto until the kalishnikov action. also there are no select fire ak's that i've ever seen, smei or full auto only.

(i aint plyed 1.4 yet so didnt post in the poll)

yetix · 06-12-2003, 09:01 PM

"In the 1950's, Soviet technical advisors helped the Chinese government to establish several factories to produce the SKS carbine. The first Chinese SKS carbines were identical to their Soviet counterparts, and were adopted by the Peoples Republic of China as the Type 56 carbine. Subsequently, the Chinese have manufactured several varieties of the original SKS, including selective-fire models, short-barreled "paratrooper" models, and models which use the detachable magazine of the later AK-47 assault rifle."

there a a gagillion types of these weapons. mainly interchangeable with the AK series by time of the Vietnam War. I'm probably confusing the game's assault weapon with my own SKS's from that era.
They have AK parts, mags, and look almost identical to my friends AK's.

*http://www.hk94.com/sks-rifle.html*

Corax · 06-12-2003, 09:42 PM

The SKS used in EoD

The SKS variant Yetix is talking about?

I like this rifle alot as well in EoD... but I still have to find the fire selector your are talking about, Yetix. :P But I think we're not in the right forum for this SKS Topic...

Saber · 06-12-2003, 10:27 PM

Sten-MG will always be my favorite.

Scipio · 06-13-2003, 01:38 AM

For what it's worth, I like them all. The jap gun is similar to the BAR, but I like the feel a bit better. Haven't seen the russian one much yet, but 47 rounds sounds sweet.

Phil · 06-13-2003, 02:57 AM

Italian a/r sucks and the STG is the best. Others are ok (bar is crappy because of 20 shots a magazine).

yetix · 06-13-2003, 04:41 AM

ok i'm only gonna use this term once a month but,
sweet-ass gif Phil!

Fragmeister · 06-13-2003, 10:00 AM

the russina gun is sick... and the japanese one is fun. the BAR is realistically darker now and has less recoil.. i love that.

Milo · 06-13-2003, 10:47 AM

I think that at last the balance is right with all the assault rifles now.

They all have diif characteristics but all pack a real punch which is surely the point. I'm particularly pleased they've tweaked the STG.

View Poll Results: Which assault rifle is the best ?
DP 1928 (sowjet)	7	28.00%
Type 99 (japanese)	5	20.00%
Breda (italien)	2	8.00%
BAR 1918 (allies)	8	32.00%
Stg 44 (german)	3	12.00%
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

06-12-2003, 04:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dick_Justice Major Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Marl, Germany Posts: 3,350	New Assault rifles After playing 1.4 for a bit know I´ve come to the conclusion, that the new Assault rifles are rather strong and accurate (a lot like the Breda) compared with the original weapons. The assault rifle balance was fairly good between BAR and Stg, but now the new rifles seem to won the lot. Especially the russian DP is overpowered with its 47 rounds magazine and far to accurate. Instead of making the assault rifles more and more powerfully DICE should try to balance them more. At the moment I think the game weapons need a little tweaking. I generally think all weapons in-game are to accurate for good gameplay. DP: higher RoF, less accurate Type 99: lower RoF Breda: less accurate BAR: fine Stg: fine __________________ Plays BF 2 in Europe under the name of \"Erich_Felsner\"

06-12-2003, 05:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
remf Private Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9	Personally I think it really depends how you use the assault rifles. I think the DP is aimed for the real team players. Remember how MoH used the BAR very much for covering fire? Well I think that's probably what DiCE were aiming for here. Something where some guy could kneel on a corner of a street in Berlin, and just pull the trigger, while the rest of his team move to another position. The STG is greatly improved, whilst I don't like the new sound I think it comes closer to competing with the BAR. I think it really depends what situation you find yourself in. Personally if I am on an open map with a lot of space I prefer the BAR because it is far more accurate over range. It's easy to take people down from about 600 m away. However, if I'm defending or trying to clear the stairway on a map like Stalingrad, I'd take an STG any day of the week. It has more bullets, is more powerful in its initial shots, and the spray created is better for close combat. __________________ .: remfinator :. -Quando omni flunkus moritati- Northern Brigade

06-12-2003, 06:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
yetix Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bob's Panzer Garage, BFE Arkansas Posts: 3,191	valid points justice, but the game has been out for a while now and players are getting better too. my new fav still is the SKS in EoD...very sensitive r.o.f. you can fire 1, 3, or full auto with just mouse click pressure. __________________

06-12-2003, 08:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
yetix Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bob's Panzer Garage, BFE Arkansas Posts: 3,191	/puts down crack ok, then maybe it's a Chinese made/copy AK 47/74? 2 of my SKS's looks amazingly similar to the assault weapon in EoD. __________________

06-12-2003, 08:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rugged_1 Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: people's republic of Kalifornia Posts: 344	in real life there were no 3 round burst/full auto sks. russia didnt get small auto until the kalishnikov action. also there are no select fire ak's that i've ever seen, smei or full auto only. (i aint plyed 1.4 yet so didnt post in the poll) __________________ www.ownij.com

06-12-2003, 09:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
yetix Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bob's Panzer Garage, BFE Arkansas Posts: 3,191	"In the 1950's, Soviet technical advisors helped the Chinese government to establish several factories to produce the SKS carbine. The first Chinese SKS carbines were identical to their Soviet counterparts, and were adopted by the Peoples Republic of China as the Type 56 carbine. Subsequently, the Chinese have manufactured several varieties of the original SKS, including selective-fire models, short-barreled "paratrooper" models, and models which use the detachable magazine of the later AK-47 assault rifle." there a a gagillion types of these weapons. mainly interchangeable with the AK series by time of the Vietnam War. I'm probably confusing the game's assault weapon with my own SKS's from that era. They have AK parts, mags, and look almost identical to my friends AK's. http://www.hk94.com/sks-rifle.html __________________

06-12-2003, 09:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Corax Staff Sergeant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Quebec, CAN Posts: 294	The SKS used in EoD The SKS variant Yetix is talking about? I like this rifle alot as well in EoD... but I still have to find the fire selector your are talking about, Yetix. :P But I think we're not in the right forum for this SKS Topic...

06-12-2003, 10:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Saber Sergeant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 408	Sten-MG will always be my favorite.

06-13-2003, 01:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
Scipio Master Sergeant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: over there, by the beer Posts: 527	For what it's worth, I like them all. The jap gun is similar to the BAR, but I like the feel a bit better. Haven't seen the russian one much yet, but 47 rounds sounds sweet.

06-13-2003, 02:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Phil Private Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 52	Italian a/r sucks and the STG is the best. Others are ok (bar is crappy because of 20 shots a magazine).

06-13-2003, 04:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
yetix Major Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bob's Panzer Garage, BFE Arkansas Posts: 3,191	ok i'm only gonna use this term once a month but, sweet-ass gif Phil! __________________

06-13-2003, 10:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
Fragmeister Sergeant Major Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 632	the russina gun is sick... and the japanese one is fun. the BAR is realistically darker now and has less recoil.. i love that. __________________ \"wakka wakka wakka.\" Surrender now and win the Free Hat!

06-13-2003, 10:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
Milo Private 1st Class Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 141	I think that at last the balance is right with all the assault rifles now. They all have diif characteristics but all pack a real punch which is surely the point. I'm particularly pleased they've tweaked the STG. __________________ Drake!....... We are LEAVING!